Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-32119331-20181222092045/@comment-37797154-20181222092833

Huggaso wrote: In Community Central, I noticed a complaint in the Forums made by some of your users. And regarding this, I feel a bit compelled to write about this.

In the complaint, a user, Sujina Jackhtar, mentions that a user from elsewhere wiki joins this community, and is kind of unfair, and at last, after speaking out, he/she (I'm not sure), is banned along with Doofsday Machine. This is truly, really excessive. They are not raiding, vandalizing, just speaking out. Why would you even consider it? In other communities and my home wiki, only vandals deserve infinite bans. Even with all those arguments they caused, they should deserve, probably a few days block.

Admittedly, yes, they are a bit too aggressive that they kinda challenged everyone and spoke out, sometimes pretty disrespectful, but, they should not be regarded as trolls and drama-maker. Actually, it is a fine thing to do, since it can bring potentially great ideas and the community should try to accept it as a change. In another thread he made over here, he actually made some great points and I had to say, he does have something to speak out. He might be a bit too dramatic, as I see in his contributions here, acting quite rudely, but it is still undeniable you didn't listen to him. He made points, gave out alternatives, and see your replies. "You are like NPC" "I have listened to this thirty times". Yes, you might have read this, but did you really try to interpret it or accept it? Seriously, be mature. Calm down and see through everything. He reiterated again and again, that he was not trying to get himself demoted, instead, Wolfman5580 to be demoted. However, the rest of the users said that he was trying to get himself promoted, which was obviously, false. I don't believe a troll will spend so much time on debating about this, unless they really do care about this wiki; and see how they are repayed, banned for infinity?

Another line of thinking is that you deem them as sockpuppets. This is a really bad insult! See how the thread goes. First, the supporters of bureaucrats speak as though Sujina and Doofsday are the same person, without any proof. (Based on the time they messaged, it is still very unlikely, given that there active times differ largely, they probably live on other sides of Earth.) Then, comparing them with those trouble-makers in the history of this wiki. After this, as usual, they retaliate and accuse the supporters being socks, and eventually, they get banned. People still say that they are "pathetic", "trash", and saying that their well-thought arguments are plain "whining" and "drama".

From this, you can see that, both sides did something wrong. But, why only the opposers get the punishments? Those supporters were not practically a saint; did they truly respect the opposers?

Moreover, you have been saying that they are disrespecting this wiki and coming here just for complaining. See their contributions. Doofsday is making pastas, before realizing the issues here and speak out! Also, how did the wiki treat him? First day, he asked a staff member why he had so few edits and became a bureaucrat. However, with those screenshots as proof, it was apparent that he was mistreated, being branded with the name "aggressive", being a "potential vandal", even requested to "leave FANDOM", since "it is unsuitable" for him. According to your rules, users should respect each other. However, you all ignored this and complained about him that he was rude to others!

In addition to this, see how all of you treated the poll and the idea of getting "community consensus".

See Mira Laime's blog post. Community consensus's poll should at least get for seven days, and see how one of your staff replies: One day is enough. Now, how are you going to get literally everyone to vote within a day? This is pretty unfair to me. Try to think about this situation, in either Sujina or Doofsday's shoes. It is really, messed up. After all the actions from the staff, I also see why the opposers are feeling oppressed. In the post, first sign of a bad bureaucrat: They suppress opinions they don't like by deleting discussions and blocking criticizing users. As I have seen, both of this happened here.

Sorry for long post, but I still have words to say, which I might add if necessary.

Mind you, this is from a nearly outsider who stayed on Wikia for almost three years, who also browsed multiple communities. I would appreciate for any thoughtful responses, but if you are just here to close this thread for "possible drama" and "speaking out", as well as any random complaints of being "possible sockpuppets", I will ignore them.

Thanks for your time. I personally believe it's alright to speak out, but several people, and pretty much all of staff disagreed with them. They should've stopped there, but they just decided to stretch out the drama.